Militant vegans don't actually have compassion. What militant vegans actually have is Compassion™.
"Vegan" is practically the DEFINITION of "compassion". I suggest you stop complaining about vegans hurting your feelings and show some real compassion.
Compassion, according to mccartneys-eyebrows: insulting people that you disagree with, and not even bothering to deny that it was an insult when called out on it
Compassion, according to feminists4meat, means exploiting and killing animals in the hopes that men will stop thinking that meat is “manly” and vegetables are “girly”
Kill a human being, you're a murderer. Kill multiple human beings, you're a serial killer. Kill over 50,000 animals, you're an animal lover. - Carnist logic.
Food for thought:
“If we draw the okay-to-kill line between “animal” and “plant,” we still must live with the fact that every sack of flour and every soybean-based block of tofu came from a field where countless winged and furry lives were extinguished in the plowing, cultivating, and harvest. An estimated 67 million birds die each year from pesticide exposure on U.S. farms. Butterflies, too, are universally killed on contact in larval form by the genetically modified pollen contained in most U.S. corn.
Foxes, rabbits, and bobolinks are starved out of their homes or dismembered by the sickle mower. Insects are “controlled” even by organic pesticides; earthworms are cut in half by the plow. Contrary to lore, they won’t grow into two; both halves die. To believe we can live without taking life is delusional. Humans may only cultivate nonviolence in our diets by degree. I’ve heard a Buddhist monk suggest the *number* of food-caused deaths is minimized in steak dinners, which share one death over many meals, whereas the equation is reversed for a bowl of clams.
I take my gospel from Wendell Berry, who writes “I dislike the thought that some animal has been made miserable in order to feed me. If I am going to eat meat, I want it to be from an animal that has lived a pleasant, uncrowded life outdoors, on bountiful pasture, with good water nearby and trees for shade. And I am getting almost as fussy about food plants.”
from Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver
Classic carnist logic - we can’t do perfectly, so why try at all? The point of veganism is to try to be as harmless as *possible*. Of course it’s absurd to think that you can live at all without taking a single life, regardless of the diet you’re on. However, it is irrefutable that an omnivorous diet is worse many, many times over. I mean, what do you think that all the cattle are feeding on? Oh right, it’s only 90% of all the grain being harvested because it requires up to16 lbs of plant matter to produce just one pound of beef. (Fun side-note: it’s not mainly blocks of tofu that all those soybeans go into, it’s actually into the stomachs of cattle.) So yeah, maybe there are some animals being killed accidentally as a result of harvests, but the vast majority of those are still being killed in the name of meat production.
On another note, many vegans choose to get their food from sources that minimize harm caused by food production. For example, palm oil causes a lot of the type of collateral damage you’re referring to - in this case many primates die as a result of palm oil harvesting. Because of this, most vegans either completely abstain from products containing palm oil, or choose to get it from sources that harvest palm oil in a safe manner.
Is it delusional to think you can go your whole life without killing any animals? Maybe. But I would say it goes far beyond the point of being deluded if you think that you’re minimizing harm with anything other than a vegan diet.
Also there’s this:
Why can’t we all just live in peace, and agree that both sides CAN be right and both sides CAN be wrong? This world has so many options and possibilities, it would be a crime to waste them. Can’t we just agree to disagree? Why must we argue about something that is a necessity for life such as food?
Vegan/vegetarians: meat is digestible to us. And about rights: would another animal question itself before a kill? Is it worse to be wasteful in killing?
Omnivores: try not to support the large, “evil” companies. Don’t be wasteful. Do your own hunting.
And I know that this won’t change anyone’s mind. I’m not that dumb.
It’s laughable that you would say that we should all live in peace when the topic here is about the countless beings that are being killed for food. Veganism isn’t about vegans being right or wrong. It’s about the true victims on this earth - the trillions of animals killed each and every year. Just because meat may be digestible to us, it doesn’t mean we have to eat it. Any other animal apart from humans would not question killing another because they operate on instinct. They are actually a part of the food chain. They actually have symbiotic relationships within the ecosystem. Over the course of history, we have done everything within our power to make ourselves separate from nature. And we are now the most wasteful, destructive and morally bankrupt species alive - yet we think ourselves to be better or smarter than the animals. Why, just because of our cognitive abilities? Our power for critical reasoning has been grossly misused. We should be asking ourselves about the moral responsibility we owe to the planet and its inhabitants because of the fact that we can think the way we do.
Nonhuman animals matter because they are just as aware as we are. They are a part of the moral community. So we should not eat them. We should not kill them. They are more than just food. They are lives that matter. I will never agree with or respect an opinion that deviates from that.
First of all, that was a well written response. Second, plants are just as much alive as an animal. So the same applies to bacteria. Is it wrong to kill either as well? And I do agree that killing is wrong. But I see it as a necessary evil. I also think that every animal, post-death, should be utilized as much as possible. If a life is taken there had better be a damn good reason and no waste, or as little as possible. And some people, me for example, get really sick after switching to a vegan diet. I became sickly and bedridden. So veganism isn’t always for everyone. And finally, the peace comment I made was more so to highlight the fact that no one is changing anyone’s mind.
Plants are not just as alive as any animal. They lack a central nervous system and do not show any signs of sentience. Plants do not show signs of distress like fear, sadness, etc. Bacteria also is not self-aware. So to “kill” these things is totally acceptable because you are not infringing on anyone’s desire to continued existence. Both human and non-human animals will struggle and fight when faced with death because they both hold this desire for continued existence. Death is a part of the natural life cycle, yes. But to say that is only to accept that it is an eventuality for all life - not to excuse killing. Yes, you will die eventually, but to use that fact as a rationale for someone coming into your house at night and killing you would be both legally and morally indefensible. On the count of your belief that every animal should be utilized post-death as much as possible leaves a glaring logic gap - what about humans? We are just as much of an animal as any other on this planet. Does your view extend to humans as well? In common practice, this is of course not the case in society as a whole. You need consent of a dead person if they are to even be used as an organ donor. We have given ourselves the right of bodily autonomy - even in death, while cleverly leaving out animals who cannot voice their objection to not being included in this status. And if you think that we all need a “damn good reason” to take any life, then you must realize that most people do not have a good reason. Miniscule portions of the human populace live in food deserts or frozen tundras that require animal protein to survive. And even if there are a small number of people that require it in their diet for health reasons (which I have yet to find concrete examples of anywhere), to use those tiny percentages as an excuse for the other vast majority of global society that can eat a plant-based diet is absurd. Please bear in mind that plant-based diets for many aren’t even a choice. Literally hundreds of millions of people across the globe live on plant-based diets because that’s all they can afford. The final point - no one is changing their mind, so we might as well be peaceable. Tell me how that stance works for any movement? For any group fighting for recognition and rights, do you really think it works for them to just stay silent and agree with their oppressors and everything will be okay? You seem to be forgetting that veganism is not just some fad diet and that all vegans are just trying to push their agendas out of some self-gratifying superiority complex. Veganism is an ideological movement centered around true peace and non-violence. Not the faux peace that is found by making abusers feel comfortable by not having to face the damage they create. Vegans champion the peace that can be found by bringing conscious thought to every aspect of our lives and how our choices (dietary and otherwise) can bring needless harm to others (human and non-human animal alike).